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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jun 4, 2010 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

Wondering what to do here, and thought I would pose a "what would you do question"

I Can't afford to buy the Jun.6-9, 77 Winterland release, and would love to have those shows for my collection. Now I assume the sdb's @ etree for this run are sources released before they went commercial,so are essentially fair game? (am I correct w/ GD trading policy)(I think I am from what I've read and understand,lol)

Having all the bells and whistles w/ the commercial release would be nice, but the music is what I'm really after.

First question I guess is is this source complete;
gd77-06-09.sbd.miller.28614.sbeok.flac16.

2nd question; is what I'm about to do, ethically the right thing to do ?

Last question Does anyone have an opinion of the matrix's available for this run of shows. (I'm kind of a purist at heart so...)

Thanx forum ! and LMA !









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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 5, 2010 1:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

SBDS of releases, including those shows, are still fair game on most torrent sites, including etree, depending on the lineage. They do not violate the terms and rules of the band's trading policy. I think the logic is that they are not always the exact same reels/masters used for the releases, or if it has a lineage of MR>1 reel/cass gen/PCM/Dat, etc, it doesn't constitute a violation. I wouldn't feel guilty about downloading them. But that's just me. I have also spent hundreds buying many releases, so I'm not going to feel too bad for already having good sources of those shows that I never listen to anyway and passing up the box set.

Well that is a partial lie, I do like 6/8, though it's been quite a while since I listened to it. I personally LOVE the matrix of 6/8, and definitely recommend that as far as a matrix goes. I've never been a huge fan of those shows, but I personally feel that that matrix is a must have. 6/9 is nice too, although I don't hear much difference between the matrix and the Miller transfer of the board. Again, it's a show I have not pulled out in quite some time. I've always found 6/7 to be rather boring and couldn't tell you the last time I listened to any source of it, so no comment there.

The one nice thing about purchasing the box set, is the bonus disc of the partial SBD of 5/12/77, assuming they are still offering the disc. The aud is passable, but hearing that wonderful jam in SBD quality is a real temptation for those on the fence about whether to buy the set or not.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 4, 2010 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

Well I would save my clams, and get the set ( it sure sounds good !) . Or get the files, and maybe buy something else from the Dead, to soothe your guilt . The big boxes are pricey, and invite people to go around them . The RTs , are pretty cheap though ( though you have to get them when the offer the "bonus" discs ). The new CWAI set was pretty cheap at Best Buy . I have had the same dilemma on other things , so it is your call, I encourage everyone to buy their stuff, so as to keep the archival releases coming .

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 4, 2010 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

' 64 , That's a big question , #2 . I have been listening , thinking and discussing this for years . My fav. uncle is a graphic designer ( tough times these days for his business ).
How are artists to be compensated for their work ? Is it different in this sub-culture ? Is it different because the policies have varied so widely , over such a long period of time ?

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jun 4, 2010 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

If I purchased it can I make you a copy as a gift?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 4, 2010 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

NO. BUT you can make a fair use copy for your listening pleasure and mail it on to him for "your" fair use when you "visit" him. (How's that?)

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jun 4, 2010 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

maybe instead of a bonus disc, you think a bonus "file" might be in order. ("the law come to get you...")

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jun 4, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

I can sympathize. I have been assembling pictures I've taken of the area around where I live , in the hopes of publishing some calenders for extra money, well like an idiot I put them in albums on facebook and it wasn't long before they started turning up in "friends" photo albums.
that's one of the very reasos why I decided to post and kinda find out where the line is drawn .

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jun 4, 2010 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

I am almost 100% sure that shows that are officially released are off-limits when it comes to soundboards - in fact, I believe the only kinds of bootlegs the dead every really authorized were audience tapes, and soundboards of any kind are, strictly speaking, un-tradeable. So, in particular when the soundboard has been released, you're not supposed to trade any copies of it.

Like JOTS said though, I could do it and not lose any sleep. However, in this particular case at least, I would highly recommend saving up over a couple months and purchasing the box - it is incredibly well remastered (as archive releases usually are) and the shows themselves are fantastic.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 5, 2010 1:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

Oh, and as for the completeness of
gd77-06-09.sbd.miller.28614.sbeok.flac16.


It's a Miller...would you expect anything less? Lol yes, to the best of my knowledge it is absolutely complete. So complete that I don't think there are even any aud patches, I think everything is covered in sbd quality.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jun 5, 2010 5:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

I really cant thank you enough for you kindly sharing your experience and knowledge of this run of shows.

you provided the exact information that I was looking for, and did so with courtesy.

Bless you sir ! Long Live the Grateful Dead !

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 6, 2010 1:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

No worries, I hope you made the decision that suits you best, or in any case I'm glad I could at least be of some help.

As for the argument in general about downloading official releases, this debate was brought up today on Workingman's Tracker about the Dick's Pick from 82. The general consensus is that the sound quality is absolutely terrible, the "worst sounding DP ever" to some. I wouldn't know, I'm not a fan of 82 and have never heard the show in any form. But Charlie Miller chimed in and said that his copy of the show blows away the official release, which I believe he agreed "sounds like complete ass." I believe his source is also different from the one used for the Dick's Pick, and is therefore technically kosher to circulate (though not all sites are ok with that, I am pretty sure you wouldn't find it at Lossless Legs, but etree has no issue with this, as far as I know).

But it brings up a good question-typically the primary incentive to purchase an official release (aside from supporting the band of course) is because it is almost always an upgrade in sound quality. In this case, it seems that it would be a downgrade in quality. Where would "you" (the community) stand on this? Would you rather wait until Miller's apparently "legit/circulatable" version of superior quality surfaces, or purchase the by all accounts inferior sounding official release?

I myself am also more of a completist and am much more hesitant to buy an official release of one or two hacked up partial shows. The Road Trips from 79 comes to mind. It's an argument that has been beaten to death, but I think it would be in their best interests to make downloads available (in all cases where possible) of the complete show/s to append the partials that are released.

I did see the other day that you can now buy MP3s/FLACS of all the officially released stuff, generally for 99 cents a song, I think. Don't quote me on that. I think that's a good start, though I think in some cases you wind up actually paying MORE for the release than if you had just ordered it in the past? And without all the fancy packaging at that? It could use some tweaking.

Something else came to mind to me today when thinking about this thread. What about buying official releases from used CD stores? In the last 5-10 years the local resale shop near me has taken a huge bite due to the current technology and the way people not only buy their music (if they even pay for it at all) but also in how they listen to it. Perhaps some day CD's will be as sought after as vinyl is today by the more die hard collectors. I dunno. Anyway, many years ago I bought a number of Dead cd's at the used cd store, is that bad ethics? On the one hand, I'm supporting my local merchant. On the other hand, that's one less copy that is being bought from GDP. Something to ponder anyway.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 4, 2010 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

If you can't afford it, it's already out there, and I assume you've supported the band plenty in your day, I say I'd do it and not feel guilty. I think it's bad taste to UPLOAD shows right as they're releasing them ( like seems to always happen ) regardless if they've been around or not, but for what you're saying I personally could do it without losing any sleep.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jun 4, 2010 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead Ethics or Ethics Dead ?

Thousands of dollars I've spent... I tend to think along your lines, but haven't convinced myself (again I'm a purist)